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Re: magniwork
Fri, July 24, 2009 - 11:58 AMMrs. Purple,
the real and effective power of science rests in the continuing learning and research process. The recursion and communicability of mathematics creates many degeneracies ("alternative realities") in physics. Consequently, the real test of a principle or 'application' of physics is in the measurability and reproducability of the claim.
the link in your original post provides a short video from a news agency in Australia, and the reference to patentability (and consequently legal opportunitities to record liability and costs incurred in investigations of infringment) stay with the legal definitions there.
the sound of the motor and the effects of mass damping on sonic harmonics suggest the device is mechanically substantial, however an explanation of the machines ability to do 'work' ( torque through a revolution ), would also depend on the window of time considered for extraction.
a quick compensation of harmonic power sharing ratios by a small computer with appropriate hardware might even be extracting unmeasured power from the angular momentum of other customers electric motors (refrigerators, air conditioners, fans...etc)
Hard to say until the claims are substantiated and can be confirmed by accredited experts...
given new and fresh relationship in communications with science, i would prefer the option with a Lease.
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Re: magniwork
Fri, July 24, 2009 - 3:19 PMHistorically, the laws of physics tell us that energy translation always consumes at least some energy. With the Magniwork, it would seem that any energy it can generate by passing a rotating series of magnets through a coil (or vice versa; haven't seen the inside) would ultimately be less than the energy needed to keep the wheel turning.
I would like to be wrong on this, and I do believe that we will eventually find radical new methods of producing power at orders of magnitude lower cost than current methods.
But beyond my admittedly very rudimentary understanding of physics, what sets off warning bells for me with the Magniwork is the site: it has the look of any number of "get rich quick" ebook sites, and it really doesn't cost much to have a more professional look. Also, what they sell there isn't the finished Magniwork generator but merely plans for making one, with a testimonial that claims that even someone with very little technical experience can assemble one with ease.
My concern there is that if it's so easy, why isn't it in broader use? The video is almost two years old.
Also, if the device works as well as described, its plans would be worth far more than the $49 they're asking at the site. And smart business people probably wouldn't sell the plans but the final product.
And lastly, why is the postal address for that ebook-looking site in Dayton, OH when the inventors are in AU? Do the inventors have anything to do with that site? There is no published WHOIS record for the domain, and tracerouting the IP shows a lot of untraceable hops, usually the sort of thing you see when you ping a server owned by someone who doesn't want to be found.
Also odd: the purchase link for the plans doesn't go to a vendor directly, but merely to an affiliate management agency (Clickbank). Perhaps a scammer is merely attempting to set an affiliate cookie for other travels visitors might make to Clickbank merchants?
I'll suspend judgment on the technology itself until it's been granted (or denied) the international patent they're seeking.
But the site looks like hokum. If you found that through an advertisement here Tribe must be getting desperate for money.
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Re: magniwork
Fri, July 24, 2009 - 5:43 PMTops on the google search:
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Re: magniwork
Sat, July 25, 2009 - 11:46 PMThanks Guys!! You are great!
I could use you over at the "Hoax or Real tribe" !!
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Re: magniwork
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Re: magniwork
Sun, July 26, 2009 - 11:42 AMAs I see it, the only way to see for yourself if this works, is to buy it, follow the instructions for building it, then install and test it.
Anyone purporting to have done this and found that it's a fraud, may just be part of the ConIntelPro working for the Energy folks (as it would definitely be in their interest to have this debunked).
Anyone purporting to have done this and succeeded might be in on the scam.
Anyone else not in the above two categories may either honestly not been able to make it work, or can't properly evaluate it's energy output.
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Re: magniwork
Sun, July 26, 2009 - 12:05 PM.... Yeah, just keep shelling out $50 for useless plans to devices copyrighted by someone else and proven not to work, plus some energy saving tips that are provided by the electric company.
The third option is an "eyes on" approach and find someone vaguely real or trustworthy who's done it. This particular machine was tried on Mythbusters (now that I've seen the plans) and was debunked by them as well. They're not part of any energy conglomerate, and certainly not associated with the seller. But I couldn't have made the connection without the debunking link above (which -could- be from an energy conglomerate [duh dunh duhhhhhhhh]).
The point is, yes, like hair-grow products, penis lengthening pills, or "age defying" creams, if they actually worked, you'd see a lot more of them around, and you certainly wouldn't need a YouTube site or spam email to find out about it. -
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Re: magniwork
Thu, July 30, 2009 - 2:13 PMwell, as I am reading this, the trusty google selector has inserted a magniwork ad right next to this box for me... how ironic is that..?!
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Re: magniwork
Wed, August 5, 2009 - 4:32 PMJust searched Mythbusters and did not find anything on magniwork.... -
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Re: magniwork
Wed, August 5, 2009 - 5:59 PMI forget the name of the episode, but it was something like "The free power" ep or something.
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Re: magniwork
Tue, August 11, 2009 - 12:30 PMSometimes trying it yourself is the only way, but sometimes not. This time it's not. I'm a college professor, and did my undergrad work at Caltech. I have no connection to any energy company or the military. This thing claims to violate the laws of physics. Done. And if you're you're afraid I'm a shill for the big energy companies or the Pentagon, go ask any college professor of physics.
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Re: magniwork
Tue, August 11, 2009 - 12:22 PMMagniwork is a complete scam. It does not work, and cannot possible work. The company is telling outright lies. The claim to have a perpetual motion machine and those just are not possible. I don't mean not currently practical; I mean not possible in any way, at any time, ever. Paying them a cent is a total waste.